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Old February 21st, 2009,
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Default Undersink Water Softener Rechargable By Salt

I'm looking for an undersink water softener that is rechargable by salt. Do you guys sell these items?
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Sorry, we have never seen such a product. We certainly have whole house softeners, but for point of use softening a filter housing like this: Pentek 158642 3G Integrated Bracket SlimLine #10 Blue 3/8 with a special softening cartridge like this: Pentek WS-10 water softening filter cartridge and Ametek WS10 water softener filters 155319 to reduce scale and hardness is the only thing we are aware of.

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Sorry, we have never seen such a product. We certainly have whole house softeners, but for point of use softening a filter housing like this: Pentek 158642 3G Integrated Bracket SlimLine #10 Blue 3/8 with a special softening cartridge like this: Pentek WS-10 water softening filter cartridge and Ametek WS10 water softener filters 155319 to reduce scale and hardness is the only thing we are aware of.

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I'm looking for an undersink water softener that is rechargable by salt. Do you guys sell these items?
If I understood your analogy with "water softener that is rechargeable by salt", I can only come away thinking of this practical option as a solution which might interest you.

Click HERE to review this option.

I would purchase it myself but after comparing the outcome and results that most under sink units present with, esp. with an R.O. solution, I would go for 4 or 5-stage R.O option instead.
However, this is a safe and good entry start if you never had the experience of a treated water reaching this far for drinking purposes. It is also far more cost effective for starters.
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I'm looking for an undersink water softener that is rechargable by salt. Do you guys sell these items?
I suppose this softener is to service the whole house rather than just one sink or a dishwasher. Is that correct?

Depending on your hardness and other issues, there is a perfect model to serve your needs and restrictions.

Kinetico makes the MACH 2020s or 2040s which are designed for under-the-sink applications. If you need more info, please let me know.

Andy Christensen, CWS-II
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Hi Andy,

I was drawn to yr response and looked up and may now realized what an under sink and size Bobertz was referring to. The models I looked up on Kinetico are rather large or rather small as well and subject to the size of home or daily quantity needed, I wondered if a smaller unit is better replaced with a larger unit?
What is yr experience on this esp. when the regeneration cycle starts kicking in and again, the amount that an under-sink can comfortably sustain for a single or couple or a small size family, an apartment or stand alone bungalow or double storey home?
This is very interesting to delve into, your input, suggestions and experience is warmly welcome... I'm also learning & appreciating this field into water enhancement for personal use.

DFL.

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Hi Andy,

I was drawn to yr response and looked up and may now realized what an under sink and size Bobertz was referring to. The models I looked up on Kinetico are rather large or rather small as well and subject to the size of home or daily quantity needed, I wondered if a smaller unit is better replaced with a larger unit?
What is yr experience on this esp. when the regeneration cycle starts kicking in and again, the amount that an under-sink can comfortably sustain for a single or couple or a small size family, an apartment or stand alone bungalow or double storey home?
This is very interesting to delve into, your input, suggestions and experience is warmly welcome... I'm also learning & appreciating this field into water enhancement for personal use.

DFL.
Again, the most important aspect is water qualty that is to be treated. The Kinetico uses a twin-tank system so the quantity of water being used is not an issue. You can run water all day-all night and not worry about exhausting the capacity. They provide treated water regardless if they are regenerating or not. So size is not based on water usage, but it is on raw water quality. Can you provide those numbers?

They are non-electric, so you don't have to worry about specail hook-ups.

If you need more information, let me know.

Andy Christensen, CWS-II
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Indeed it is amazing to note that it can function without dependence on 110v or 220v hookup like mine does which makes me wonder, what will (not-)happen if there is a power outage and I'm not home to reset the fuse back in place?

How then does this Kinetico works? Esp. to start up the regeneration cycle?
I have another question which was avoided by the Culligan Support desk by us.

Q'n: when does the resin in the softener tank gets replaced or there is another term to describe this need and works somehow differently than the usual thought of simply changing the whole tank altogether like with a revision exchange we do with car alternators for example?

Here are two Mach examples>>:

and >>:
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# Non-electric, totally water powered operation. Great for outdoor locations. Weather is no problem!
# No timers or computers to set, adjust or replace. Eliminates guesswork and noisy, middle of the night cleaning cycles
# Two softeners connected together provide unlimited supply of soft water
# Soft, clean water is used to rinse the opposite,dirty tank
# Uses far less salt than electric, single tank softeners. Moving parts operate in soft, clean water, NOT hard water
# Efficient cleaning cycles use only 1 pound salt (or potassium), 7 gallons of water, and takes just 11 minutes to complete.
How high are the twin cylinders and are they meant to sustain perpetually like as long as 25 years straight and trouble-free should the water supply be considered fairly good/drinkable when serving within urban locations?
Appreciate this increase of knowledge with you Andy.

Cheers,

DFL.
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Nothing will happen to the unit when power goes out. If you are on well water, you'll have to wait to the power comes on for the pump. On city water, it will continue to work as nothing happened at all.

Resin life can depend, as I am sure you could imagine, on a wide range aspects, water conditions, volume of use and grades of resins. Kinetico resin typically last 20 - 30 years before rebedding is needed, give or take. The fact that they clean themselves with treated water attributes to their long life. You could just change tanks but rebedding is easy and cheaper. Aslong as the tanks are not broken or cracked and can maintain pressure, then there is no problem.

"how high"? Do you mean how tall? Different models are different sizes.

Drinkability can be determined by one's desire for excellence and taste. High quality water deserves special attention and likewise equipment.

Andy Christensen, CWS-II
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Drinkability can be determined by one's desire for excellence and taste. High quality water deserves special attention and likewise equipment.

Andy Christensen, CWS-II
Can't agree more with you on those obvious points you mentioned. TQ, well said and find little reason to dispute on the facts you know well enough to share with.
I suppose those height measurements are somewhat average and within the governing range among all brands then.
I have fortunately, with a slight sigh, to have noticed a Kinetico outlet represented in Belgium... which must have established only after when I had my 1st Culligan softener installed. Am glad nonetheless as I am open to considering acquiring this option even if my current Culligan is working well but its never a poor or bad purchase if steps are undertaken in raising the quality and desire one seeks as I do too.

With extra added faucets in the home and applied filters added to increase the use and consumption like I now have to opt for (had just secured about $330 bucks equivalent with orders on 1 Shower head and two faucet fixtures and extra compatible filters which includes S&H, import duty taxes plus a smiling but reluctant grin), I want to know how your dependence ly concerning the Salt cyclus filling into the tub and any extra filters considered necessary to implement (subject to Ohio's water condition) to increase in thwarting the unsuspecting higher inflow of chlorine, sediments and odor? Do you then with your Kinetico softener unit?

DFL.

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